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1935.5? 262 LOCO ANOMALY
« on: March 16, 2021, 06:11:35 PM »
I love odd ball Prewar Lionel. This 262/262T in master carton is odd..The frame has nickel pumps but gloss black frame to match the copper trim sheet metal top. Its not a "E" like the over pasted loco box states. Now the frame should be satin with those pumps..is this a 1935.5? Cleaning out the parts bin at the factory that day lol..I carefully took the top off to see if the wiring dicked with--looks factory to me.Thinking this would go with the odd transition 800 series freights. Late colors/brass plates/latch couplers.Lastly...did anyone know what the little cutout is for on the front of loco insert? That's where the bulb box goes! Huh??


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 


 
 
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Re: 1935.5? 262 LOCO ANOMALY
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2021, 07:00:03 PM »
That's neat. I have or had one of those. The tender is neat. Might be more special than the loco.

Normally that tender body has the ex-ives short trucks like used on the 1679 litho cars and is called a 261T. This tender has the higher heavier trucks with the two triangle cutouts. That gives it high couplers.

I'd say it probably came with 610 cars in blue/aluminum or any mid 30s color of the 603/604 and 607/608. My money is on the 2-tone green 607/608 cars.

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Re: 1935.5? 262 LOCO ANOMALY
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2021, 08:36:07 PM »
Here's a bunch of the same loco body in different versions:

 


First version is all black comes with no reverse as 261 shown with the diecast 8-wheel 258T tender.

 

The same loco but with hand reverse lever in cab is 262 shown with diecast 4-wheel 257T.  Oddly when Lionel cataloged the 262 with 4-wheel cars it came with the 8-wheel 258T.

 


Then in 1933 or so there was a special 262 with orange stripe. I think they still made the other locos above. This is uncataloged and rare.

In 1934 the 262E was shown in the catalog with brass trim for separate sale with a 261T. Came in sets with terra cotta 613 cars and with 800 series freights. Same loco as the first 262 shown but with a 8-wheel tender.

In 1935 the 1934 picture was shown in the catalog as a 261E with brass trim for separate sale with a 261T. It was also shown in a set with nickel trim and matching 650 series freight cars. They downgraded the loco from the top of the line cars it pulled in 1934 to smaller cheaper cars.

 


1935 261E in nickel trim with 261T tender. We call this color black Satin. Black  locos from here down are like this.

During 1934 and 1935 there were many versions of the 261/262 made as Lionel reconfigured the loco into the 249E. Larry's loco is one of those, and would go here in the  chronology.

A few locos are found from this time period. There are mixed trim versions with brass plates and some nickel trim. The photos I'm posting here are from when I sold the collection. I kept at least two of the satin colored mixed trim locos, and they haven't been unpacked yet. I bet Jim can post a few versions. 

 


A 262E in full nickel with the pipes in opposite directions from the center dome. I don't know if the 261E can be found this way.

In 1936 the loco became the 249E, and was shown in gray with nickel trim. The 249e always has the two pipes going in opposite directions. Here's the major versions of the 249E:

 


The 249E in black with 265W tender doesn't appear in the catalogs. It's another one of the odd locos like the 262 that Larry posted. As far as I know there are no variations of the black 249E loco.

 


1936 249E gray with 265T loco. Came in cataloged sets with 650 series cars and 607/608 2-tone green cars. In 1937 it came with the same freights and with the red 600 series cars.

 


The 249E was not cataloged after 1937, but came in uncataloged sets. Either with a 265T tender having a latch coupler or with a 2225W as shown above. 

 If you go back and look at the pictures, the black 249E and the later 249E with the 2225T tender have thin rims on the drivers.  I'm not really sure where the black one goes. The thin rim drivers were first shown in the catalog in 1936.







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Re: 1935.5? 262 LOCO ANOMALY
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2021, 04:51:59 AM »
I also am interested in the Lionel transitions, 1935 and 1940.
I have a collection of 800-series freights, some 650-series, a few passenger cars and locos. The tenders, 261T sheet-metal type, seem to turn-up the most often.
Very interesting seeing the 262 loco with mixed trim. 1935 seemed to be "sweep the floor and use the trim that you pick up". So many variations.
I had posted a 260T in another thread that is the diecast body, but painted gunmetal. It has nickel trim but a brass LL plate. I am assuming it is a "sweep the floor" 1935 piece.